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Post by boomboom on Jun 24, 2013 21:01:52 GMT -5
Hi - Wasn't sure where to post this, bu this article lists writing critique sites online and ran a poll to see which ones were the most popular. FYI, I am signed up with both Scribophile and Critique Circle, though I have only done critiques on Scribophile. I like their interface better, but might actually post writing on both to see what kind of feedback I get. I am not a premium member of either yet, but it might be worth it once I get my book far enough along to post. I do know Scribophile has a good setup for giving critiques. Anyway, this is a good round-up of available writer sites, though I can't tell when it was written. all the comments way at the bottom have 2013 dates. This not dating stuff on the internet drives me crazy, especially as a former reporter. Bad, bad, bad. There are lots of different type links, also, if you scroll down in it. www.squidoo.com/onlinewritersgroupsreview
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Post by thecliff on Jun 27, 2013 14:18:30 GMT -5
For the past several years I've been a member of Authonomy that is listed #3 with what BoomBoom has above concerning writing community. Authonomy is located in UK and sponsored by publishing house HarperCollins where authors can post parts of work in progress for viewing and constructive criticism (critique). authonomy.comI have 3 works in progress listed on site with my user name: Bingocliff and my author name: Thecliff Chamber Anyone can register for free and on site in search box upper right corner can type either my user name or author name and be brought to my works in progress to read and critique. There's also a rating system on site the ranks all novels including ranking the users registered. Enjoy and all that are not familiar with this site should check it out.
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Post by boomboom on Jun 28, 2013 18:06:41 GMT -5
Thanks, Thecliff. Took a look at authonomy.com and at your pieces posted there. Very heartfelt and moving and your characters face hard, real world problems. I see you have a following. That's very nice - congratulations!
For me, I think I will stick with Scribophile, though, for a critique site (haven't posted there yet) because they have such a nice setup for doing critiques. The points system is annoying and time consuming but needs to be. It keeps the people who give you feedback to ones who put some effort in to it.
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Post by leepoutine on Jul 5, 2013 7:24:46 GMT -5
If you have some cash - fanstory.com is a great site to get feedback.
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Post by gitchel on Jul 5, 2013 15:06:04 GMT -5
All of these critique sites frighten me. :-(
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Post by leepoutine on Jul 5, 2013 15:12:45 GMT -5
fanstory.com is pretty nice but there are the odd really rude people.
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Post by boomboom on Jul 5, 2013 16:38:52 GMT -5
That's why a heavily moderated site is best. You can't avoid having some jerks out there, especially when they are giving feedback. In Scribophile, the site owner has a lot invested in it, so watches pretty carefully and the community is watchful, too. They know a few trolls can destroy a lot.
So, exactly why do the critique sites scare you, Gitchel? We're all scared of getting critiqued, but it really is the only way to improve your writing. I drag my feet toward doing it, but find once it is done, I'm pretty impervious to the feedback. It is rare that someone can tell you what exactly to do with your story - everyone has their own take - but the main thing it does is let you know you have or have not communicated what you want to communicate.
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Post by gitchel on Jul 5, 2013 17:05:22 GMT -5
I'm not afraid of critique. I'm afraid of getting critiqued by an idiot who sounds like he's not an idiot ;-)
Since having a random stranger critique your writing is kinda like hooking up with some guy at the bus station, I'll pass.
On the other hand, I'd love to have you critique it. I actually KNOW you're not an idiot ;-)
Seriously, when a stranger critiques, you have to decide if it's valid or not - based on what? - and then re-critique your stuff to decide if he's a dope or not. I might as well just skip a step and re-re-critique it my self ;-)
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Post by leepoutine on Jul 5, 2013 17:08:20 GMT -5
Well random people can give you a different perspective on things, if you don't have any one else to read your stuff.
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Post by gitchel on Jul 5, 2013 18:05:41 GMT -5
Well, I got you guys, eh? :-)
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Post by aquarose on Jul 5, 2013 18:56:41 GMT -5
I'm a bit like Gitchel. I've been too afraid to try the critique sites due to the quality of the feedback. I've looked at a few and read the chapters. The comments were so either gushing or bad mouthing that I felt badly for the writer not getting anything helpful. I will take the plunge and try one of the sites recommended here, as I think these lists have hopefully weeded out the 'vanity vs troll' sites. Still nervous though.
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Post by mllersil on Jul 6, 2013 6:14:00 GMT -5
Hm. We got a site called " Schreibwerkstatt" where every aspiring author with a computer gets by on one point in his/her life. It was originally meant for exchanging bits and parts of your artwork to see what feedback you'd get by others experienced in the matter. By now, there also is a huge advice section and a research forum, kind of similar to NaNo and here. The thing is - you have to present at least two of your works to the audience before you are allowed to give your feedback to others. (It's kind of graded - for more feedbacks you need to put in more of your work.) Somehow this keeps the trolls to a minimum. Also, everyone is naturally polite, but still pointing out faults or anything remarkable. It's a pure give-and-take situation. Complete idiots are not allowed and usually detected by their spelling and grammar mistakes (yes, in German this is possible). After having been there for some time, you'll know which other users are giving the most useful comments on your work and likewise, which writer you can advise best. You don't always have a fitting critic living around the corner and your best friend can only stand so much of your ramblings (and is mostly not helpful), so this is a place to get you best beta-reader nationwide. Of course, there are numerous other writer forums and google+ groups, but this is the only one I know which requires you to share some of your work if you want to give feedback to others.
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Post by gitchel on Jul 6, 2013 7:36:31 GMT -5
And the name of this board should be "Writing Correctly" ;-)
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Post by jennifer on Apr 6, 2014 9:14:34 GMT -5
To poke a dead thread. I can speak to how wonderful I find Critique Circle to be. What I like about it is that each week, there are new stories posted, and they are posted in groups by genre. If there are a ton of fantasy stories (for example) backed up, that will not mean there are a ton that pop up, only that some authors have to wait (okay, that's not the funnest part, but it works out). That way, you are not critiquing things you have no interest in.
Like it's difficult to get in and critique chapter 34 of something you haven't read the rest of. Or to critique a romance short story when you really don't care for romances at all. So each week you have a selection to choose from. The best part of this group system is there is one group called "newbie queue" where each writer can post up to three offerings before moving onto the genre boards.
As far as quality of critique - I've had a mix. My very first crit there was terrible. It was from some idiot know-it-all who basically re-wrote my story for me. He added in car crashes and other obstacles that had nothing to do with my story whatsoever. But luckily, he did not sound to me like he knew what he was doing, although he certainly thought he did.
Since then, however, I have built up a group of critters who do a very good job. And I can see the concern over getting something that sounds good but may be a crap critique. The best thing about this site is the inline critique, which is what I request. That means that after each paragraph, any critter who wants to point out something about that paragraph specifically can do so. So when I read all my crits at the end of the week, I can see - did 7 people say the same thing about this particular issue? Then I'd better look at it. Did only one person mention something? Then I will look at it and decide on my own - after all, 6 did not, right? But still, that one might have come up with a good point.
I think the point system is very fair. You generally have to crit two things to post one, but there are different points awarded based on how long of stories you crit (by word) and how long of crits you give (by word). The highest possible points for one crit is 2, and it is 3 points to post. So that is time-consuming, but I have found some wonderful novels in progress and people with whom I have developed a mutual critting relationship.
Sorry to write so much, I just - well, that's what I do. Write like I talk - a lot.
My name on critique circle is knittinjen. I only have a few things up on there but if you ever want to take a look, feel free. They are the first drafts, though, so don't judge me haha!
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Post by boomboom on Apr 6, 2014 16:40:13 GMT -5
I'm a member of both Critique Circle and Scribophile. I am a premium member on Scribophile, which is the paid membership and has been totally worth it, but just a freebie on Critique Circle.
I like Scrib's critique software. It also has inline where you can make a comment anywhere in the piece, highlight the paragraph, sentence or word you are referring to, etc. Very flexible and makes critiquing so much easier. You can put comments, as long as you want, in before and after the inline. It also has a template critique (Plot, Character, Theme, etc.)and freeform critique which is just a blank sheet of "paper". You choose which you want to use. It takes 5 karma to post a work and you get one karma for a 135 word critique - which is a pretty pathetic critique and most go beyond that - and a percentage of karma for each word above that.
You can pick two categories to label your work, eg Science Fiction and Fantasy and people can sort on that if they want. There is the Main Spotlight, New Member Spotlight where your first post goes, Good Critiquer Spotlight, etc.
I think Jennifer pointed out the key to these online sites is getting a group of people whose critiques you respect, will critique you and you critique them. Basically, you make your own critique group within the larger group. If someone is a Premium Member they can make a group page where you can post and etc. You can make it public or private. One of the reasons I like it is that I became involved in a group that exchanges crits and you agree to post every week and crit your team members every week.
There are a lot of published writers on Scrib, so the advice can be very good. It can also be not so good, but that is the same anywhere. The forums are very active. There is a lot of good info about self-publishing.
Scribophile and Critique Circle are almost universally accepted as the top two writer critique sites. They are very similar, so it depends on which one you feel the most comfortable in.
It is a way to get feedback on your writing and to mingle with other writers while developing your craft. the thing I find about it that is better than in person groups - other than trying to find a good one - is that it has a tendency to remain more focused on the writing. In person groups, people don't bring pages or start talking about how hard it is to write or their life or etc. etc. It disintegrates in to a social club. That can happen to you on these sites, too, but you can always find someone to concentrate on the writing. The pool is much bigger.
Both Scrib and CC have one big thing in common - the administrators and owners of the sites are very involved in it. They make sure things don't get out of hand. That is the key to a good site, in my opinion.
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Post by jennifer on Apr 6, 2014 17:24:16 GMT -5
I feel so lucky to have fallen into CC without knowing it was one of the top sites (without knowing sites like it existed actually). And now to have fallen in with Scribophile, which I hope I can find a way to reset my e-mail notifications, because it is e-mailing me too much. But I'm sure there's a place for that. I can see where the premium membership on Scrib would be really good to have.
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Post by aquarose on Dec 2, 2014 1:53:26 GMT -5
Ok I joined Scribophile... now what? A bit of a learning curve I guess. I'm going through the newbie checklist... searching (lurking in) the forums.
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Post by boomboom on Dec 27, 2014 5:47:51 GMT -5
Ooo, Aquarose. I missed your post here. So sorry. Need to know who you are in Scrib to show you around. My computer had been crashing through December and that completely distracted me. I'm Magic Jones in Scribophile. Send me a PM or let me know on my Scratchpad who you are.
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